tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post115798826444153984..comments2024-03-28T19:14:33.619-07:00Comments on The Splintered Mind: What’s Wrong With Judging Others? - Part I (by guest blogger Brad Cokelet)Eric Schwitzgebelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-69371295374205778202007-02-05T08:34:00.000-08:002007-02-05T08:34:00.000-08:00How do you handle a member of the church always ma...How do you handle a member of the church always making slanderous comments about other church members and the children in the church family. She seems to always fault others and maybe she should be spend more time looking to improve her faults and pray for others instead of<br />judging them. She is suppose to set an example and at times is just cruel. Clearly there is NOT one family in our church with perfect children. " Let he that is sin free cast the first stone."<br />How should I handle this woman of our church without hurting her feelings or causing her to talk badly about me and my family?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-1158961379106641942006-09-22T14:42:00.000-07:002006-09-22T14:42:00.000-07:00Why isn't Jesus simply trying to capture the commo...Why isn't Jesus simply trying to capture the common sense idea that moral judgments are universal and so if they apply to your neighbor then they apply to you? He is reliying on the fact that the ordinary person will realize that it is absurd to judge someone else when the rule they use to judge condemns them as well (this is the gist of the 'cast the first stone' stuff as well). <BR/><BR/>If Kant was right about anything, surely he was right that universalizability is a neccessay condition for an act being moral. He was also quick to point out that this idea was enshrined in common sense and the Categorical Imperative is what you get when you formalize that common sense. If this is right then we shouldn't be suprised to find evidence of famous and influential thinkers making use of some form of universalization in moral arguments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-1158157938581613112006-09-13T07:32:00.000-07:002006-09-13T07:32:00.000-07:00Oppss! I meant to say that there are two things in...Oppss! I meant to say that there are two things involved mainly in moral judgmentalism and that hypocrisy is a likely outcome.<BR/><BR/>EricAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-1158157861670553602006-09-13T07:31:00.000-07:002006-09-13T07:31:00.000-07:00As I see it there are two things going on in the p...As I see it there are two things going on in the passage where Jesus speaks. On the one hand he is repudiating moralizing judgmentalism. His statement is historical but one that is very much worth bearing in mind, but also very important for us to bear in mind today. One part of moralizing judgmentalism is the leveling of all moral matters to the same significance. Why are you worried about trivial violations of our communal code (speck in the eye of others) and not your inability to judge in accordance with the overall spirit or tendency of the code (plank in your eye)? <BR/><BR/>The other part of moralizing judgmentalism is to be always willing to pounce on any perceived violation and to denounce the alleged violator. Hence the warning: judge not lest ye be judged. Don't run around picking on everything people do, because how would you look if someone did the same to you?<BR/><BR/>Since no one, I suppose, or very few people could look very good in comparison with the standards typically used in moralizing judgmentalism, it would seem that moralizing judgmentalism involves a large amount of self-deception and hypocrisy.<BR/><BR/>So I think that the point of what Jesus is saying there is not that you should not judge others, but you should not do so in a certain way.<BR/><BR/>EricAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-1158098610489446012006-09-12T15:03:00.000-07:002006-09-12T15:03:00.000-07:00I always thought that Husserl's notion of empathy ...I always thought that Husserl's notion of empathy in the <I>Crisis...</I> is somewhat analogous to Jesus' teachings in the Gospels. Metaphysically, right, we all mostly judge things to be the same because we correct every other person's judgment and vice versa. But the way in which we do this is by the empathetic turn, which is to place one's self in the place of another. S and S' result in S'' (to take from your post). But there's also a sense in which you couldn't not judge yourself and an other by the same standards, and this sense lies in the constitution of one's world-picture, in which one always is to some extent. But the rough-borderishness of this extent is probably why we tend to judge ourselves differently than we judge others: Because we ourselves are less well constituted than we constitute others.<BR/><BR/>--<A HREF="http://beta.blogger.com/profile/05102174408768996907" REL="nofollow">B. Michael Payne</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-1158077403436022132006-09-12T09:10:00.000-07:002006-09-12T09:10:00.000-07:00Thanks tanasike, kboughan, and james,I am glad you...Thanks tanasike, kboughan, and james,<BR/><BR/>I am glad you agree that if that is what Jesus meant, then he was wrong. I agree that gives us some reason to think that it was not judging of the sort I described that is being condemned. So what is he comdemning? <BR/><BR/>(1) tanasije and james focus on bad motives for judging others and bad attitudes towards others that are embodied in expressions of judgment (that is how I take talk of "harshness). For exmaple, we do it because we enjoy putting others down and are harshly express contempt for those who we judge bad. I agree that these might be the things that he is really after. Thanks for the suggestions!<BR/><BR/>(2) kboughan raises the issue of consent to judgment which suggests that the problematic forms of judgement are those which are not consented to. But I think the Ben Franklin example shows that the relevant "consent" need not explicit. And it seems that the "consent" present in that case is probably present in other cases where we judge "our brothers".<BR/><BR/>(3) Finally, kboughan raises the thought that on Jesus's view we are all sinners and deserve damnation. You are certainly right that this is, at least since Augustine's attack on Pelagius, the dominate Christian view (even Kant held it!) of humanity and what Jesus thought of us.<BR/><BR/>Still, I am not sure how it bears on the issue of judging others. Even if we are all sinners and deserve hell, how does it follow that "it is not for us to judge others"? <BR/><BR/>And why does our being sinners ourselves make our judgments fall short of "compete justice"? Does being a sinner entail being epistemically disadvantaged when it comes to judging others? How so?<BR/><BR/>Alternatively, you might appeal to 1 above at this point and only condemn "harsh" judgments.<BR/><BR/>Again, thanks for raising interesting issues.Brad Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12698027539432083841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-1157999812637748352006-09-11T11:36:00.000-07:002006-09-11T11:36:00.000-07:00Sometimes judging becomes social sport. People fin...Sometimes judging becomes social sport. People find fun and fulfillment in their judging of what someone had done. Without considering or wondering if they would do the same on their place, and even when knowing that they *would do*, or have done the same thing as the one who they judge if they were in same situation.<BR/><BR/>In those situations it is not about the judging the act right or wrong. The one who care about morality of an act, will not make much fuss of it. It is about bashing others from ones quasi superior moral position. Not really building own morality really, just having fun.<BR/><BR/>I think that's what that quote talks about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com