tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post3568563377664601469..comments2024-03-28T19:14:33.619-07:00Comments on The Splintered Mind: Empirical Evidence Against My View of Dream ReportsEric Schwitzgebelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-77833424082483366232011-11-30T11:33:39.153-08:002011-11-30T11:33:39.153-08:00Silk: That certainly might be part of the story. ...Silk: That certainly might be part of the story. Eva Murzyn and Michael Schredl both discuss the possibility in 2008 papers on the topic.Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-236609014688490932011-11-29T20:57:13.474-08:002011-11-29T20:57:13.474-08:00Just thinking that the issue could be one related ...Just thinking that the issue could be one related to memory or recall of dreams, as it seems to me to be more difficult to remember a dream scene in colour (if colour is not important to the dream), well a dream that isn't based on memory anyway...<br /><br />I'm rambling but my point is it could be that the black and white group are older and more likely to have memory issues.Silknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-64869235760629051772011-11-23T09:27:54.564-08:002011-11-23T09:27:54.564-08:00Oh, and as I recall there is evidence that long in...Oh, and as I recall there is evidence that long into blindness we may have visual dreams but lose the ability to recall color...<br /><br />steve02476,<br />Pinker shows that we can orient things in three space in our minds (a product of our evolving seeing) as we do in two space. I think we see like nature is made so that we imagine things in 4 and more space.<br /><br />I found it a lot harder to imagine a three by three by three lattice in my mind but it was worth the effort, than it was a smashed down shadow of a 4D cube into three space. I mention also the studies of synaethesia in regards to color as philosophy or science- can we imagine higher color which to color would be as color is to black and white?<br /><br />ThePeSlaL. Edgar Ottohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00525169618204198073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-28443158948280601922011-11-18T09:55:23.896-08:002011-11-18T09:55:23.896-08:00Thanks, ThePeSla and clasqm. Clasqm: My understan...Thanks, ThePeSla and clasqm. Clasqm: My understanding is that people blind from birth do not report visual experiences in their dreams. There's interesting research on the question of the extent to which people who go blind in adulthood still experience visuality in their dreams (see, e.g., Oliver Sacks).Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-36430051150026995462011-11-18T00:12:22.240-08:002011-11-18T00:12:22.240-08:00One possible way to find out would be to study the...One possible way to find out would be to study the dreams of people blind from birth and/or deaf from birth.<br /><br />Did Helen Keller dream?clasqmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12812785541545674276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-10317411430910428842011-11-17T09:59:17.869-08:002011-11-17T09:59:17.869-08:00Hi,
I wrote something inspired by your contemplat...Hi,<br /><br />I wrote something inspired by your contemplations and in relation to what is light and color in general- and what is such information. It will be posted shortly on my blog:<br /><br />http://www.pesla.blogspot.com<br /><br />I think there may be a way to set up an experiment or survey for the data, by such considerations.<br /><br />ThePeSlaL. Edgar Ottohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00525169618204198073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-11071226005914276122011-11-17T05:21:09.864-08:002011-11-17T05:21:09.864-08:00@ clasqm: There are some descriptions of dreams as...@ clasqm: There are some descriptions of dreams as soundless -- especially in the early to mid-twentieth century (comparing dreams to silent movies). But interestingly, I've never seen dreams compared to radio broadcasts. Also, feeling a pinch is often thought to be indicative of waking.<br /><br />So: Why this preference for the visual? Are dreams really more visual than sensory in other modalities? Or is this slant toward visuality only a feature of our biases or misconceptions in reporting? I can't recall any studies of this issue that aren't just uncritical catalogs of people's subjective reports.Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-8820130418133236982011-11-16T23:49:11.149-08:002011-11-16T23:49:11.149-08:00Not something I've given much thought to, but ...Not something I've given much thought to, but now that you've raised it, all sorts of questions arise. Why do we think of dreams as exclusively visual experiences? <br /><br />I, for one, definitely have an audio component to my dreams, but touch, smell & taste are conspicuously absent. Yet these are considered the first sense to evolve. Does this imply that dreaming is a recent development in evolutionary history?<br /><br />And what about the senses beyond the classical five? Proprioception, nociception etc?clasqmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12812785541545674276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-9687470541823056622011-11-16T17:45:37.380-08:002011-11-16T17:45:37.380-08:00Yes! That would be cool to study. We should prob...Yes! That would be cool to study. We should probably get reports of the relative flatness or not of dream experiences now, while we can, before 3D takes over (assuming that it will, eventually).Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-68620623306756308842011-11-16T16:12:08.342-08:002011-11-16T16:12:08.342-08:00I wonder if people will start dreaming in 3D now? ...I wonder if people will start dreaming in 3D now? Will they be wearing special glasses in their dreams?steve02476https://www.blogger.com/profile/16802396883873217162noreply@blogger.com