tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post5835643110697050695..comments2024-03-25T11:49:21.281-07:00Comments on The Splintered Mind: The Moral World of DreidelEric Schwitzgebelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-9969164267629451272014-12-30T19:58:37.030-08:002014-12-30T19:58:37.030-08:00Depends whether it's just the person at the ta...Depends whether it's just the person at the table with the most social credibilitie's idea of generosity - and just their 'in the moment' idea as well, rather than something adhering to a fixed structure.<br /><br />Actually that'd be an interesting experiment perhaps - have some explicit system of generosity written down (but unavailable to the group), then compare what a group (with the not good chocolote) ends up at, compared to the written structure.Callan S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15373053356095440571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-44917295647128888932014-12-29T13:25:28.569-08:002014-12-29T13:25:28.569-08:00Callan: Your semi-anonymous version sounds interes...Callan: Your semi-anonymous version sounds interesting. I agree that the low-stakes chocolate will tend to push the results toward generosity. That's a good thing, I think -- rewarding that approach, and *hopefully* encouraging behavior patterns that might be repeated even when the stakes are higher.Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-86787187159931646752014-12-29T13:23:15.738-08:002014-12-29T13:23:15.738-08:00Matthew: I agree about rediscovery and about the i...Matthew: I agree about rediscovery and about the idea that familial empathy is probably an important part of what's going on. Not so sure about "mOther" -- not my philosophical dialect!Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-87349377453314935422014-12-28T19:37:11.685-08:002014-12-28T19:37:11.685-08:00I think it should be played with really nice choco...I think it should be played with really nice chocolate.<br /><br />How's it teaching fairness when really there's nothing at stake?<br /><br />Rather than fair it seems to show that Gordon Gecko's tend to play possum when the stakes are low, since playing hardcore is more likely to damage their reputation (and in ancient times, less reputation = less survivability. Nowdays it means being able to borrow less money. Maybe.)<br /><br />I think a semi anonymous version would also be of value. No one knows who is the other player - but there is some small random chance of your identity being shown (like a 1% chance per game). This reveal stops someone from just sort of creating a 'for game only' gordon gecko persona - since they could be revealed, they will be playing as themselves. But due to the high amount of anonymity, you will learn about how they act, even if you don't know exactly who to attribute it too.<br /><br />That way I'd get more big coins of delicious chocolate, too!!Callan S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15373053356095440571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-21525559409855411992014-12-28T18:26:00.222-08:002014-12-28T18:26:00.222-08:00In "... discovering the value of fairness bot...In "... discovering the value of fairness both to oneself and others, in a context where proper interpretation of the rules is unclear..." isn't the practicality suggestive of the discovery being a process of rediscovery. Yearly, at least in some families (haven't seen my cuzns in a decade or more) the dreidel game is involved in the reification of cultural values - alongside the menorah or golem - which seem hermeneutically designed to a purpose.<br />This makes me think of Zizek or Lacan, and is besides the point, but thought it worth noting. Their ideological views highlight the psychoanalytic "mOther", in an infinite redress of signifiers. The purpose of these views feel significant in that: it shows how other players and their reputed ways may be normalizing.<br />The others with whom the game is played are mostly related by blood to one another. There is an inherent attending to companionates, not mere players, being expressed in, one assumes, a compassionate tendency. So as to elucidate the progression or degression of the 'mOther' players' values, the game is traditionalized. The and the game would likely appeal to ages which follow the cognitive development of empathy (from what I gather familial empathy/compassion gets established between three to seven, pretty well).psychemulationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02450454636419031792noreply@blogger.com