tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post7010747231957766364..comments2024-03-25T11:49:21.281-07:00Comments on The Splintered Mind: In Philosophy, Departments with More Women Faculty Award More PhDs to Women (Plus Some Other Interesting Facts)Eric Schwitzgebelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-15317903090923837632019-03-30T10:23:58.276-07:002019-03-30T10:23:58.276-07:00Anon Mar 29: That's possible, but my guess is ...Anon Mar 29: That's possible, but my guess is that since the data are limited to tenured and TT faculty, the numbers are negligibly small. Once in a while, a department hires its own PhD to a TT line, but that's rarer than one might think. (Must more common is to hire them as temporary adjuncts.)Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16274774112862434865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-88849511599259052902019-03-29T01:54:47.347-07:002019-03-29T01:54:47.347-07:00You use data from several years together. However,...You use data from several years together. However, after completing PhD people often become staff members at some university. And there is probably a certain level of academic inbreeding amongst philosophy departments (let's say the rate of inbreeding is the same for men and women). Thus a higher proportion of women completing their PhDs at a university could lead to a higher proportion of women staff at the same university.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-53419607451810578442019-03-27T07:56:07.678-07:002019-03-27T07:56:07.678-07:00Anon: Possible, though it seems unlikely -- hard t...Anon: Possible, though it seems unlikely -- hard to see what the mechanism would be!Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16274774112862434865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-14694289238345374342019-03-23T08:53:33.246-07:002019-03-23T08:53:33.246-07:00Or the relationship is simply opposite... More wom...Or the relationship is simply opposite... More women completing PhD leads to more women faculty...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-70651689734756249312019-03-13T10:28:27.152-07:002019-03-13T10:28:27.152-07:00Thanks for the continuing comments, folks -- and s...Thanks for the continuing comments, folks -- and sorry for the slow reply!<br /><br />Dan, I agree that we can't draw the causal conclusion that more women faculty would lead to more women PhDs, partly for the reasons you suggest.<br /><br />Seth: I was pleased by the friendly link from Leiter, despite his negative reaction to some of my and others' other work on diversity in philosophy.Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16274774112862434865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-57203163406119700082019-03-09T18:57:39.742-08:002019-03-09T18:57:39.742-08:00Hi
Thanks for this Eric.
Would you agree that i...Hi <br /><br />Thanks for this Eric.<br /><br />Would you agree that it does not follow from your research that if there were more women faculty then there would be more women completing PhDs? <br /><br />1) It might be that women who are resolved to do a Philosophy PhD would, given a choice, prefer to be supervised by a woman and/or in a department with a relatively high ratio of women to men faculty. Which contributes towards your findings. However, they would do the PhD anyway, even if they could not find a suitable women supervisor so had to be supervised by a man. It would be strange if a woman thought, 'I will only do a Philosophy PhD if I can be supervised by a woman, or be in a faculty with a certain ratio of women to men faculty'.<br /><br />2) We know that a disproportionately high number of women students and staff work in certain areas, for instance, ethics. As a result even women students with no preference as to the gender of their supervisors are more likely to be supervised by women faculty; therefore there will be a higher proportion of women students where there are a higher proportion of women faculty. <br /><br />Best wishes<br /><br />Dan Dennis<br />Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15579041191859026975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-35752181662593237152019-03-06T16:09:04.940-08:002019-03-06T16:09:04.940-08:00Leiter links to your post,
https://leiterreports....Leiter links to your post, <br />https://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2019/03/more-female-facultymore-female-phds-from-that-philosophy-department.html<br /><br />And on other days goes on about "diversity blather"<br />https://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2019/02/diversity-blather-watch-stanford-edition.html<br /><br />I wish he'd make up his mind, because I know which one he'd chose, and he'd be wrong,<br />https://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/us/politics/26scotus.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=12B0A330010F2EFF42BF0287678242A7&gwt=pay<br /><br />Seth Edenbaumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-42061263603496345002019-03-04T09:31:23.749-08:002019-03-04T09:31:23.749-08:00Thanks for the comments, folks!
Anon: That would ...Thanks for the comments, folks!<br /><br />Anon: That would be interesting to look at, but unfortunately I don't see a feasible way to gather the relevant data.<br /><br />Eric: My sense is that r, as the standard measure of correlation, is better understood and more intuitive than r^2. However, if I were claiming what percentage of the variability in percentages of completions was predicted by faculty gender ratio, then r^2 would be better.Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16274774112862434865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-24883443479447655182019-03-04T07:06:40.205-08:002019-03-04T07:06:40.205-08:00I'm no pro, but I think you should emphasize t...I'm no pro, but I think you should emphasize the r-squared, rather than r. Otherwise, people might easily draw the wrong conclusion.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06729654546231986012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-18376484983455836982019-03-02T06:15:59.662-08:002019-03-02T06:15:59.662-08:00I don't know if your data set would allow the ...I don't know if your data set would allow the following analyses, but if it would, I think it would be good to do them. As I understand it, you looked at what percentage of PhDs were women. A different but valuable statistic is what percentage of women who are admitted graduate? Perhaps that is what you did? If so, it would be good to know what percentage of men who are admitted graduate? If you looked at the proportion of graduates who were women, you would also want to know the proportion of women who were part of each entering class. Another valuable datum would be time to degree for men and women as a function of the proportion of the faculty who are women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-73870866869947431882019-03-01T14:41:45.380-08:002019-03-01T14:41:45.380-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joanna Demaree-Cottonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088930209627557227noreply@blogger.com