tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post3495342981783801841..comments2024-03-28T19:14:33.619-07:00Comments on The Splintered Mind: Most Cited Journals in the Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyEric Schwitzgebelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-81059752772612700492010-05-15T07:44:23.890-07:002010-05-15T07:44:23.890-07:00Thanks, Eric. I am feeling conscious of the fact ...Thanks, Eric. I am feeling conscious of the fact that it is a lot easier to suggest projects for other people to do.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772399153490133699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-76032942004662777902010-05-13T09:23:00.776-07:002010-05-13T09:23:00.776-07:00Margaret: I think that's a good idea, but I th...Margaret: I think that's a good idea, but I think the methodology might have to be pretty different. So it's a project for another time, or maybe another person.Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-54558178679612927462010-05-13T07:41:43.615-07:002010-05-13T07:41:43.615-07:00HI Eric,
i am still somewhat confused. I understa...HI Eric,<br />i am still somewhat confused. I understand about historical entries in your original project (I think) but the philosophers publishing in the history of philosophy journals are pretty much alive and kicking and influencing one another. Why not alter the methodology sufficiently to allow recognition of this fact?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772399153490133699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-33605667389461352972010-05-12T11:33:30.279-07:002010-05-12T11:33:30.279-07:00Margaret: I excluded historical journals because I...Margaret: I excluded historical journals because I didn't include historical entries from the SEP in the bibliographic database I used, so the data on history of philosophy journals would be misleading.<br /><br />I didn't include historical entries from the SEP in my original database because my main aim in this line of research (from which the present results fall out merely incidentally) is to look at influence on contemporary discussions, and how that changes over time, rather than at more stable measures of historical importance. (And including SEP history-entry citations in the database probably wouldn't capture historical importance very well anyway.)Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-59679251865041962082010-05-12T11:26:51.658-07:002010-05-12T11:26:51.658-07:00Wondering: I am more sympathetic with your remarks...Wondering: I am more sympathetic with your remarks that you probably suspect. You'll notice that the subject tag for this series of posts is "sociology of philosophy". It's explicitly about *actual* popularity and influence as opposed to *deserved* popularity and influence. I think the topic is worth studying for the reason the sociology of any discipline is worth studying.<br /><br />But... I also think there is something fun about the horse-race aspect of it, so I confess that I am also indulging in that. My main aim in this project is not to present horse-race results, but since horse-race results fall out of the sociological research I am doing, and since people find such results interesting, I am presenting them.Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-42807032118321683532010-05-12T11:20:23.401-07:002010-05-12T11:20:23.401-07:00Thanks, Greg. Yes, I am counting the PSA Proceedi...Thanks, Greg. Yes, I am counting the PSA Proceedings in Philosophy of Science. It's less than ideal, but in the particular case, any coding decision has its advantages and disadvantages.Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-69338624115873766992010-05-12T10:23:42.050-07:002010-05-12T10:23:42.050-07:00Are you counting _Philosophy of Science_ and the _...Are you counting _Philosophy of Science_ and the _PSA Proceedings_ as the same journal? The latter was only fully subsumed under the former in 1994. (And I get the impression the proceedings articles are much less cited, though I could definitely be wrong about that.)<br /><br />The reason I ask is that _Philosophy of Science_, excluding the PSA proceedings, only publishes about 30 articles per year, which is not that high. If you add in the Proceedings, you'll get another 40 -- but as I said, I suspect those are cited less often.<br /><br />I think another part of the explanation in the case of _Phil. Sci_ is different citation patterns. Philosophers of science, I think, may just cite more than folks in some other disciplines. (Though I could be wrong about that.)Greg Frost-Arnoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08563986984421570652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-14599993290268443482010-05-12T09:56:59.276-07:002010-05-12T09:56:59.276-07:00Eric -
All of this work you are doing charting a...Eric - <br /><br />All of this work you are doing charting and counting and so on is interesting in a parlor game sort of way. But, does it have any deeper significance? <br /><br />I think that it does, but in an unfortunate sense.<br /><br />First, you are wisely not even exhaling in the direction of the question, "Who should be most cited?" So, the point of all this number crunching can't be to show which philosophers are most important, much less which philosophers anyone ought to study.<br /><br />Second, this last point interacts with the natural question, "Why is this guy going to all this trouble?" After all, when someone counts up a bunch of stuff and then posts it for all the world to see, it's natural to wonder why the heck that person is going to all that trouble.<br /><br />True, perhaps it is an interesting project. We all want to know who is popular - who is hot, who is not, who is on the island, who is off, who is lame, who is cool, and so on... don't we? I mean, geez - Chisholm just ain't so cool anymore! And, I always thought Grice was cool but it turns out that he's actually not nearly as cool as David Lewis. But then again David Lewis was always the coolest, I mean who on earth is has more cool friends than David Lewis?<br /><br />The worry is that this is all part of a disciplinary norming - unintentional but powerful - that makes certain projects proper philosophy and others too far outside to take seriously. <br /><br />Finally, and perhaps most significantly, if we are philosophers, shouldn't we ask, "Who matters?" not "Who is cited most?" That is, why should we even CARE about the numbers? <br /><br />Seriously - I ask this seriously.wonderinaboutnumberingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-72628250009062599592010-05-11T10:43:46.441-07:002010-05-11T10:43:46.441-07:00Eric, Did you explain anywhere why you excluded hi...Eric, Did you explain anywhere why you excluded historical journals? I will forebear to speculate until you have had a chance to answer.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08772399153490133699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-64809925730478982502010-05-11T09:37:34.667-07:002010-05-11T09:37:34.667-07:00One might think that Phil Sci and (to a lesser ext...One might think that Phil Sci and (to a lesser extent) Synthese are unlikely to be overranked given that they are specialist journals: a journal like Phil Stud, which publishes across the range, has more opportunities for citations in an encyclopedia. That makes their performance all the more impressive.Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12586131772199247420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-37786347182468984602010-05-11T09:22:47.194-07:002010-05-11T09:22:47.194-07:00Thanks, Modal. The search term "Religious St...Thanks, Modal. The search term "Religious Studies" yields 95 hits, almost all of which are the journal. The search term ("International Journal" and "Religion") yields 51 hits.<br /><br />Since I excluded historical entries, part of the explanation might be a tendency to put work on non-Christian traditions in the historical entries.Eric Schwitzgebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11541402189204286449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26951738.post-86053429985097110462010-05-11T07:29:04.846-07:002010-05-11T07:29:04.846-07:00I find it interesting that Faith and Philosophy ma...I find it interesting that Faith and Philosophy made the list, but Religious Studies and the International Journal of Philosophy of Religion didn't. I thought the general consensus was that these journals were a little better for philosophy of religion since they had wider interest; faith and philosophy is concerned with philosophical issues insofar as they pertain to Christianity (or so they say about themselves). Faith and philosophy is also relatively newer to the scene then the other journals. Did you by chance leave these other entries off? Or maybe my expectations were misguided on this issue. Anyway, interesting post and thanks for taking the time to make it!ModalPontiffnoreply@blogger.com