Next week (at the Southern Society for Philosophy and Psychology) I'll be delivering comments on Neil Van Leeuwen's new book, Religion as Make-Believe. Neil argues that many (most?) people don't actually "factually believe" the doctrines of their religion, even if they profess belief. Instead, the typical attitude is one of "religious credence", which is closer to pretense or make-believe.
Below are my draft comments. Comments and further reactions welcome!
Highlights of Van Leeuwen’s View.
Neil distinguishes factual beliefs from religious credences. If you factually believe something – for example, that there’s beer in the fridge – that belief will generally have four functional features:
(1.) It is involuntary. You can’t help but believe that there’s beer in the fridge upon looking in the fridge and seeing the beer.
(2.) It is vulnerable to evidence. If you later look in the fridge and discover no beer, your belief that there is beer in the fridge will vanish.
(3.) It guides actions across the board. Regardless of context, if the question of whether beer is in your fridge becomes relevant to your actions, you will act in light of that belief.
(4.) It provides the informational background governing other attitudes. For example, if you imagine a beer-loving guest opening the fridge, you will imagine them also noticing the beer in there.
Religious credences, Neil argues, have none of those features. If you “religiously creed” that God condemns masturbators to Hell, that attitude is:
(1.) Voluntary. In some sense – maybe unconsciously – you choose to have this religious credence.
(2.) Invulnerable to evidence. Factual evidence, for example, scientific evidence of the non-existence of Hell, will not cause the credence to disappear.
(3.) Guides actions only in limited contexts. For example, it doesn’t prevent you from engaging in the condemned behavior in the way a factual belief of the same content presumably would.
(4.) Doesn’t reliably govern other attitudes. For example, if you imagine others engaging in the behavior, it doesn’t follow that you will imagine God also condemning them.
Although some people may factually believe some of their religious doctrines, Neil holds that commonly what religious people say they “believe” they in fact only religiously creed.
Neil characterizes his view as a “two map” view of factual belief and religious credence. Many religious people have one picture of the world – one map – concerning what they factually believe, and a different picture of the world – a different map – concerning what they religiously creed. These maps might conflict: One might factually believe that Earth is billions of years old and religiously creed that it is less than a million years old. Such conflict need not be rationally troubling, since the attitudes are different. Compare: You might believe that Earth is billions of years old but imagine, desire, or assume for the sake of argument that it is less than a million years old. Although the contents of these attitudes conflict, there is no irrationality. What you imagine, desire, or assume for the sake of argument needn’t match what you factually believe. There are different maps, employed for different purposes. On Neil’s view, the same holds for religious credence.
There’s much I find plausible and attractive in Neil’s view. In particular, I fully support the idea that if someone sincerely asserts a religious proposition but doesn’t generally act and react as if that proposition is true, they can’t accurately be described as believing, or at least fully believing, that proposition.
However, I think it will be more productive to focus on points of disagreement.
First Concern: The Distinction Is Too Sharp.
Neil generally speaks as though the attitudes of factual belief and religious credence split sharply into two distinct kinds. I’m not sure how much depends on this, but I’m inclined to think it’s a spectrum, with lots in the middle. Middling cases might especially include emotionally loaded attitudes where the evidence is not in-your-face compelling. Consider, for example, my attitude toward the proposition my daughter has a great eye for fashion. This is something she cares about, an important part of how she thinks of herself, and I sincerely and enthusiastically affirm it. Is this attitude voluntary or involuntary? Well, to some extent it is a reaction to evidence; but to some extent I suspect I hold on to it in part because I want to affirm her self-conception. Is it vulnerable to counterevidence? Well, maybe if I saw again and again signs of bad fashion taste, my attitude would disappear; but it might require more counterevidence than for an attitude in which I am less invested. It’s somewhat counterevidence resistant. Does it guide my inferences across contexts? Well, probably – but suppose she says she wants to pursue a career in fashion, the success of which would depend on her really having a great eye. Now I feel the bubbling up of some anxiety about the truth of the proposition, which I don’t normally feel in other contexts. It’s not a religious credence certainly, but it has some of those features, to some degree.
Another case might be philosophical views. I’m pretty invested, for example, in my dispositionalist approach to belief. Is my dispositionalism vulnerable to evidence? I’d like to hope that if enough counterevidence accumulated, I would abandon the view. But I also admit that my investment in the view likely makes my attitude somewhat counterevidence resistant. Did I choose it voluntarily? I remember being immediately attracted to it in graduate school, when two of my favorite interlocutors at the time, Victoria McGeer and John Heil, both described dispositionalism about belief as underappreciated. I felt its attractions immediately and perhaps in some sense chose it, before I had fully thought through the range of pro and con arguments. In general, I think, students quickly tend to find philosophical views attractive or repellent, even before they are familiar enough with the argumentative landscape to be able to effectively defend their preferred views against well informed opponents; and typically (not always) they stick with the views that initially attracted them. Is this choice? Well, it’s more like choice than what happens to me when I open the fridge and simply see whether it contains beer. If religious credences are chosen, perhaps philosophical attitudes are in a similar sense partly chosen. There might be a social component, too: People you like tend to have this philosophical view, people you dislilke tend to have this other one. As for widespread cognitive governance: There’s a small literature on the question of whether the views philosophers endorse in the classroom and in journal articles do, or do not, govern their choices outside of philosophical contexts. I suspect the answer is: partly.
I also suspect that typical religious credences aren’t quite as voluntary, evidentially invulnerable, and context constrained as would be suggested by a sharp-lines picture. Someone who religiously creeds that God condemns masturbators might feel to some extent correctly that that position is forced upon them by their other commitments and might be delighted to find and respond to evidence that it is false. And although as Neil notes, citing Dennett, they might engage in the activity in a way that makes little sense if they literally think they are risking eternal Hell, people with this particular credence might well feel nervous, guilty, and like they are taking a risk which they hope God will later forgive. If so, their credence affects their thinking in contexts beyond Sunday – and maybe generally when it’s relevant.
Second Concern: Much of Neil’s Evidence Can Be Explained by Weak Belief.
Reading the book, I kept being niggled by the idea that much (but not all) of the evidence Neil marshals for his view could be explained if religious people factually believe what they say they believe, but don’t factually believe it with high confidence. On page 226, Neil articulates this thought as the “weak belief” explanation of the seeming irrationality of religious attitudes.
Weak belief can’t be the whole story. Even a 60% confidence in eternal damnation ought to be enough to choke off virtually any behavior, so if the behavior continues, it can’t be a rational reaction to low confidence.
Still, Neil makes much out of the fact that Vineyard members who claim in religious contexts that a shock they experienced from their coffeemaker was a demonic attack will also repair their coffeemaker and describe the shock in a more mundane way in non-religious contexts (p. 78-80). People who engage in petitionary prayer for healing also go to see the doctor (p. 86-88). And people often confess doubt about their religion (p. 93-95, 124-125). Such facts are perhaps excellent evidence that such people don’t believe with 100% confidence that the demon shocked them, that the prayer will heal them, and that the central tenets of their religion are all true. But these facts are virtually no evidence against the possibility that people have ordinary factual belief of perhaps 75% confidence that the demon shocked them, that the prayer will heal, and that their religion is true. Their alternative explanations, backup plans, and expressions of anxious doubt might be entirely appropriate and rational manifestations of low-confidence factual belief.
Third Concern: If There Are Two Maps, Why Does It Feel Like They Shouldn’t Conflict?
Consider cases where religious credences conflict with mainstream secular factual belief, such as the creationist attitude that Earth is less than a million years old and the Mormon attitude that American Indians descended from Israelites (p. 123-124). There is no rational conflict whatsoever between believing that Earth is billions of years old or that American Indians descended from East Asians and desiring that Earth is not billions of years old and that American Indians did not descend from East Asians. Nor is there any conflict between mainstream secular factual beliefs and imagining or assuming for the sake of argument that Earth is young or that American Indians descended from Israelites. For these attitude pairs, we really can construct two conflicting maps, feeling no rational pressure from their conflict. Here’s the map displaying what I factually believe, and here’s this other different map displaying what I desire, or imagine, or assume for sake of the present argument.
But it doesn’t seem like we are, or should be, as easygoing about conflicts between our religious attitudes and our factual beliefs. Of course, some people are. Some people will happily say I factually think that Earth is billions of years old but my religious attitude is that Earth is young, and I feel no conflict or tension between these two attitudes. But for the most part, I expect, to the extent people are invested in their religious credences they will reject conflicting factual content. They will say “Earth really is young. Mainstream science is wrong.” They feel the tension. This suggests that there aren’t really two maps with conflicting content, but one map, either representing Earth as old or representing Earth as young. If they buy the science, they reinterpret the creation stories as myths or metaphors. If they insist that the creation stories are literally true, then they reject the scientific consensus. What most people don’t do is hold both the standard scientific belief that Earth is literally old and the religious credence that Earth is literally young. At least, this appears to be so in most mainstream U.S. religious Christian cultures.
A one-map view nicely explains this felt tension. Neil’s two maps view needs to do more to explain why there’s a felt need for religious credence and factual belief to conform to each other. I raised a version of this concern in a blog post in 2022, developing an objection articulated by Tom Kelly in oral discussion. Neil has dubbed it the Rational Pressure Argument.
Neil’s response, in a guest post on my blog, was to suggest that there are some attitudes distinct from belief that are also subject to this type of rational pressure. Guessing is not believing, for example, but your guesses shouldn’t conflict with your factual beliefs. If you factually believe that the jar contains fewer than 8000 jelly beans, you’d better not guess that it actually contains 9041. If you hypothesize or accept in a scientific context that Gene X causes Disease Y, you’d better not firmly believe that Gene X has nothing to do with Disease Y. Thus, Neil argues, it does not follow from the felt conflict between the religious attitude and the factual belief that the religious attitude is a factual belief. Guesses and hypotheses are not beliefs and yet generate similar felt conflict.
That might be so. But the Rational Pressure Argument still creates a challenge for Neil’s two map view. Guessing and hypothesizing are different attitudes from factual belief, but they use the same map. My map of the jelly bean jar says there are 4000-8000 jelly beans. I now stick a pin in this map at 7000; that’s my guess. My map of the causes of Disease Y doesn’t specify what genes are involved, and because of this vagueness, I can put in a pin on Gene X as a hypothesized cause. The belief map constrains the guesses and hypotheses because the guesses and hypotheses are specifications within that same map. I don’t have a separate and possibly conflicting guess map and hypothesis map in the way that I can have a separate desire map or imagination map.
I thus propose that in our culture people typically feel the need to avoid conflict between their religious attitudes and their factual beliefs; and this suggests that they feel pressure to fit their religious understandings together with their ordinary everyday and scientific understandings into a single, coherent map of how the world really is, according to them.
Thanks for the awesome book, Neil! I philosophically creed some concerns, but I invite you to infer nothing from that about my factual beliefs.
22 comments:
Just a little more from your last class/post, 'let's call something a consciousness mimic'...
...can our history of knowledge be a something...
Then in it's sourcing was the beginning of our history-religiousness...
...from mimicking our instincts and senses in evolution or for mimicking consciousness...
Out of the garden for firsthand knowledge...
...then philosophy and science, perhaps forever...
A one-map example is at what time is the human embryo ensoulled. This used to be at quickening, AIUI, but changed with the rise the modern embryology.
Religion as make-believe? Yeah, sure. The faithful construct their illusions of pennance, redemption and all the rest. In the end, they die, either with a smile on their face, or crying with the realization it was all a ruse. In any or either case, expectations are met. I have few credentials. Fewer yet, credences. I don't mind. As a band (As You Were) wrote, I Get By.
Why not say like a sociologist, that beliefs exist independent of us, so you can drop the intermediate variable of the person and just link behaviors and beliefs- and ignore the person so there's no conflict?
I don't see how belief, independent of human sentience can be right. Nor how any belief, however it may connect with Edelman's notions of primary consciousness. I don't know, for example, how AI could have belief(s)? Do you? Robots are property. Those who would confer more on them bother me. Now dead Sci-Fi writers might agree. Other genii, ala Turing and Feynman, might not. This is not, primarily, a philosophical question. It is an existential one. If, and only if, we disagree on that matter, we have a disagreement.
This is not a debate I'm familiar with, but I was wondering if there's room for taking religious beliefs to be of a kind with a sort of credo or ethical commitment? We are committed to acting as if such and such religious claim is true, and it will have an impact on the structure of our values, of what we find urgent to do, what we find permissible, and so on, and so it's something like our credo or our set of beliefs. So it would be that they are genuinely held beliefs, but the point of the beliefs is different - they serve always and only to orient us morally and agentially.
I suspect the religious do not feel the conflict. That is, the felt conflict is often felt by us, i.e. non-believer, observing the religious. At least in Iran, religious people tend to exhibit no such feelings of conflict, even after they are made aware that some of their religious beliefs are in tension with science.
Perhaps Neil's main claim in the book can be reframed in terms of the first-person point of view versus the third-person point of view. From the perspective of believers, their attitude may be more like a credence, but from an observational standpoint, it is a certain kind of doxastic state.
What I mean is to make humans a black box as Skinner did and make a statistical relationship between beliefs and behavior
A Skinnerian Black Box. Seems like a logical, pragmatic approach, on its' face. I suppose if such an approach were viable, someone might have applied it to *the consciousness problem*. But the notion of Credences is of a different depth I think. And beliefs are propositional attitudes. Yes, I still think about Davidson when thinking about human enigmas. AI emerges from a black box. Or perhaps a big blue one---think of that famous, chess-playing machine. We can track the flow of electrons therein. Emanations from the human mind are more difficult. Mind does not willingly share secrets.
Factual belief v. religious credence. I offer several remarks. Firstly, what IS a factual belief? The feather on the book cover is instructive here. While working in government, my duties included administrative law...or, more familiarly, I was a hearing officer. The burden of proof, for both plaintiff and respondent was low---a preponderance, or, feather's weight. Beliefs are not factual. They are based in hearsay. Or, if we follow NV, religious credence. The *preponderance* bar is low, not amounting to either *clear and convincing*, or *beyond reasonable doubt*. But it is useful---pragmatic---in matters of fundamental jurisprudence. Water is wet. Or, frozen. Or vapor. There are no factual beliefs or religious credences entailed.
Not in my view, anyway. That is all...
Live long and prosper.
In the context of religion "belief" is often used to mean "value" (including the "belief" in a god).
Yes. Sure. And that is one point I tried to make. After Davidson, beliefs are propositional, along with desires; expectations; expectations; and several many more that fall within the frame of contextual reality. Or, as I have asserted: What is reality, it is whatever WE say it is! This is the fundamental difference in our differences. Clearly, there are many of us who comprise 'we'. Ergo, it is complicated...a function of the complexity Kauffman warned us about.
I propose to lodge one, and only one, final opinion herewith: that/those remark(s) touch(es) semantics. I submit that factual belief is oxymoronic, and this goes back to what I offered about Davidson's view. When belief contravenes fact, it is only propositional. Illustrations: eons ago, some believed the earth was flat. It is not. There is no green cheese on the moon. If, and only if, there is recoverable helium there, we might be able to mine it. Although the means of the mining is, uh, tentative... speculative. "Factual beliefs" are in a class with the now-infamous alternate facts. That never flew, save for those who bought factual belief. So, circulatory becomes fallacy. Ergo, bogus. Ergo, counterfeit. Uh,...false. This is where we live now. I don't buy pie-in-the sky. Or, so-called factual belief(s). Are we clear, here?
Paul, this reaality is whatever we say it is goes back to Franz Brentano, the precursor to Freud and Husserl.
Is Davidson is adding something to the mix?
Brentano had the idea of 'aboutness'
You may have heard of this
I think he did. But you would need to read for yourself. Davidson was respected, late twentieth century. I am unfamiliar with thinkers you mention. And, many many more.
Ah yes. Researched Brentano and "aboutness". Remembered that term from somewhen. I have encouraged a Stanford thinker, regarding the contextual reality notion. He briefly talked about *levels of reality* a dozen years ago, is Emeritus now, and is probably not interested. Old philosophers never die, they simply lack certainty. They do, however, know what they know---unlike Socrates, who could not decide. Thanks for YOUR comment!
I support and subscribe to Professor Van Leeuwen's pragmatism, regarding the beer in the 'fridge. In my opinion, the idea of religion, as---what was that: fairy tale?---is also cogent (I think). I would not enter these remarks on a religious philosophy blog. Waste of everyone's time. Beliefs do not work for everyone (ding!) Par exemple, believers in the Bible as divinely inspired are living in that moment---nothing axiological or deontological here. However, an athiest or agnostic, might claim rightly that, insofar as the Bible was written by human acolytes (mostly males?), there is a disconnect. Well. Uh, belief,faith; hope and so on are credentials. It SEEMS to me, as if, ethics; morals;values---credences(s), have, some credibility.
I am distressed to claim they have no substance. Now. thanks, everyone...
thinking more about *factual beliefs*, the notion came to mind: factual for whom? see,believers accept foundations and premises for the beliefs they hold. they are comfortable (mostly) with them and CHOOSE them...are in good company with others who do so. not everyone else holds those beliefs, nor does everyone else believe they ARE factual. it would be a far more peaceful world if they did. therefore, I make a distinction between factual and nonfactual belief(s). it seems to me such distinction is important.
Why?
My sense of this is generalization. I am not af all certain the statement is true, with or without the qualifier*normally*. See, religious faith, worship, morals etc. are choices that adherents make upon accepting religious tenets, teachings and practices. Yes, I know a little about NV's credence stance. Upon due consideration I hold to my opinions here. As a parttime philosopher, my stock-in-trade remains doubt and uncertainty: many of us are not keen on dogma---not even a little bit.
Concluding that Anon"s *Why?* comment was in response to my last approved one, above, I will try to respond. The phrase, *factual belief*, is an oxymoron or contradiction---sorry, I am not sure which, or both. It is really tough, being a 'philosopher' isn't it? Their foundations lie in doubt and uncertainty. The turtle stack does not go all the way down. The sheer weight of their responsibility crushes many, nearer the bottom, and as *time* watches, as a fair witness only, I heard Professor NV is moving to Florida from Georgia. Wished him well on another blog. I would not live there for a million dollars. *why?* I don't need a million dollars. Or the aggravation of idiots.
Clear enough?
OK. Maybe this horse has been beaten to death. I read something today on "petitionary prayer", taking that to mean something like, *I'll pray for you*, or, *I'll say a prayer for you*. Comfort speech. Can't hurt---might help. Charming folks in the Baha'i community say (or used to say) God is unknowable. Does any of this sound like *factual belief*? Or is it more akin to what we want, or hope to be, true? Petitionary prayer was a new term for me. As best I can figure, it is another way of saying: supplication. If that is wrong, forgive me. Uh, was that factual belief on my part? A supplication? As Dennett wrote: ding! I believe what my senses tell me, illusionary or no. I will try to leave the horse alone. But, I make few promises now. Not a good private or public policy...
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