Wednesday, December 18, 2024

Reply to Chalmers: If I'm Living in a Simulation, It Might be Brief or Small

Suppose we take the "simulation hypothesis" seriously: We might be living not in the "base level" of reality but instead inside of a computer simulation.

I've argued that if we are living in a computer simulation, it might easily be only city-sized or have a short past of a few minutes, days, or years. The world might then be much smaller than we ordinarily think it is.

David Chalmers argues otherwise in a response published on Monday. Today I'll summarize his argument and present my first thoughts toward a rebuttal.

The Seeding Challenge: Can a Simulation Contain Coherent, Detailed Memories and Records but Only a Short Past?

Suppose an Earth-sized simulation was launched last night at midnight Pacific Standard Time. The world was created new, exactly then, with an apparent long past -- fake memories already in place, fake history books, fake fossil records, and all the rest. I wake up and seem to recall a promise I made to my wife yesterday. I greet her, and she seems to recall the same promise. We read the newspaper, full of fake news about the unreal events of yesterday -- and everyone else on the planet reads their own news of the same events, and related events, all tied together in an apparently coherent web.

Chalmers suggests that the obvious way to make this work would be to run a detailed simulation of the past, including a simulation of my conversation with my wife yesterday, and our previous past interactions, and other people's past conversations and actions, and all the newsworthy world events, and so on. The simulators create today's coherent web of detailed memories and records by running a simulated past leading up to the "start time" of midnight. But if that's the simulators' approach, the simulation didn't start at midnight after all. It started earlier! So it's not the short simulation hypothesized.

This reasoning iterates back in time. If we wanted a simulation that started on Jan 1, 2024, we'd need a detailed web of memories, records, news, and artifacts recently built or in various stages of completion, all coherently linked so that no one detects any inconsistencies. The obvious way to generate a detailed, coherent web of memories and records would be to run a realistic simulation of earlier times, creating those memories and records. Therefore, Chalmers argues, no simulation containing detailed memories and records can have only a short past. Whatever start date in the recent past you choose, in order for the memories and records to be coherent, a simulation would already need to be running before that date.

Now, as I think Chalmers would acknowledge, although generating a simulated past might be the most obvious way to create a coherent web of memories and records, it's not the only way. The simulators could instead attempt to directly seed a plausible network of memories and records. The challenge would lie in seeding them coherently. If the simulators just create a random set of humanlike memories and newspaper stories, there will be immediately noticeable conflicts. My wife and I won't remember the same promise from yesterday. The news article dated November 1 will contradict the article dated October 31.

Call this the Seeding Challenge. If the Seeding Challenge can be addressed, the simulators can generate a coherent set of memories and records without running a full simulation of the past.

To start, consider geological seeding. Computer games like SimCity and Civilization can autogenerate plausible, coherent terrain that looks like it has a geological history. Rivers run from mountains to the sea. Coastlines are plausible. Plains, grasslands, deserts, and hills aren't checkered randomly on the map but cluster with plausible transitions. Of course, this is simple, befitting simple games with players who care little about strict geological plausibility. But it's easy to imagine more careful programming by more powerful designers that does a better job, including integrating fossil records and geological layers. If done well enough, there might be no inconsistency or incoherence. Potentially, before finalizing, a sophisticated plausibility and coherence checker could look for and repair any mistakes.

I see no reason in principle that human memories, newspaper stories, and the rest couldn't be coherently seeded in a similar way. If my memory is seeded first, then my wife's memory will be constrained to match. If the November 1 news stories are seeded first, then the October 31 stories will be constrained to match. Big features might be seeded first -- like a geological simulation might start with "mountain range here" -- and then details articulated to match.

Naturally, this would be extremely complicated and expensive! But we are imagining a society of simulators who can simulate an entire planet of eight billion conscious humans, and all of the many, many physical interactions those humans have with the simulated environment, so we are already imagining the deployment of huge computational power. Let's not underestimate their capacity to meet the Seeding Challenge by rendering the memories and records coherent.

This approach to the Seeding Challenge gains plausibility, I think, by considering the resource-intensiveness of the alternative strategy of creating a deep history. Suppose the simulators want a start date of midnight last night. Option 1 would be to run a detailed simulation of the entire Earth from at least the beginning of human history. Option 2 would be to randomly generate a coherent seed, checking and rechecking for any detectable inconsistencies. Even though generating a coherent seed might be expensive and resource intensive, it's by no means clear that it would be more expensive and resource intensive than running a fully detailed simulated Earth for thousands of years.

I conclude that Chalmers' argument against short-historied simulations does not succeed.


The Boundaries Challenge: Can a Simulation Be City-Sized in an Apparently Large World?

I have also suggested that a simulation could easily just be you and your city. Stipulate a city that has existed for a hundred years. Its inhabitants falsely believe they are situated on a large planet containing many other cities. Everyone and everything in the city exists, but everything stops at the city's edge. Anyone who looks beyond the edge sees some false screen. Anyone who travels out of the city disappears from existence -- and when they return, they pop back into existence with false memories of having been elsewhere. News from afar is all fake.

Chalmers' objection is similar to his objection to short-past simulations. How are the returning travelers' memories generated? If someone in the city has a video conversation with someone far away, how is that conversation generated? The most obvious solution again seems to be to simulate the distant city the traveler visited and to simulate the distant conversation partner. But now we no longer have only a city-sized simulation. If the city is populous with many travelers and many people who interact with others outside the city, to keep everything coherent, Chalmers argues, you probably need to simulate all of Earth. Thus, a city-sized simulation faces a Boundaries Challenge structurally similar to the short-past simulation's Seeding Challenge.

The challenge can be addressed in a similar way.

Rendering travelers' memories coherent is a task structurally similar to rendering the memories of newly-created people coherent. The simulators could presumably start with some random, plausible seeds, then constrain future memories by those first seeds. This would of course be difficult and computationally expensive, but it's not clear that it would be more difficult or more expensive than simulating a whole planet of interacting people just so that a few hundred thousand or a few million people in a city don't notice any inconsistencies.

If the city's inhabitants have real-time conversations with others elsewhere, that creates a slightly different engineering challenge. As recent advances in AI technology have vividly shown, even with our very limited early 21st century tools, relatively plausible conversation partners can easily be constructed. With more advanced technology, presumably even more convincing conversation partners would be possible -- though their observations and memories would need to be constantly monitored and seeded for coherence with inputs from returning travelers, other conversation partners, incoming news, and so on.

Chalmers suggests that such conversation partners would be simulations -- and thus that the simulation wouldn't stop at the city's edge after all. He's clearly right about this, at least in a weak sense. Distant conversation partners would need voices and faces resembling the voices and faces of real people. In the same limited sense of "simulation", a video display at the city's edge, showing trees and fields beyond, simulates trees and fields. So yes, the borders of the city will need to be simulated, as well as the city itself. Seeming-people in active conversation with real citizens will in the relevant sense count as part of the borders of the city.

But just as trees on a video screen need not have their backsides simulated, so also needn't the conversation partners continue to exist after the conversation ends. And just as trees on a video screen needn't be as richly simulated as trees in the center of the city, so also distant conversation partners needn't be richly simulated. They can be temporary shells, with just enough detail to be convincing, and with new features seeded only on demand as necessary.

The Boundary Problem for simulated cities introduces one engineering challenge not faced by short-history whole-Earth simulations: New elements need to be introduced coherently in real time. A historical seed can be made slowly and checked over patiently as many times as necessary before launch. But the city boundaries will need to be updated constantly. If generating coherent conversation partners, memories, and the like is resource intensive, it might be challenging to do it fast enough to keep up with all the trips, conversations, and news reports streaming in.

Here, however, the simulators can potentially take advantage of the fact that the city's inhabitants are themselves simulations running on a computer. If real-time updating of the boundary is a challenge, the simulators can slow down the clock speed or pause as necessary, while the boundaries update. And if some minor incoherence is noticed, it might be possible to rewrite citizens' memories so it is quickly forgotten.

So although embedding a city-sized simulation in a fake world is probably more complicated than generating a short-past simulation with a fake history, ultimately my response to Chalmers' objections is the same for both cases: There's no reason to suppose that generating plausible, coherent inputs to the city would be beyond the simulator's capacities, and doing so on the fly might be much less computationally expensive than running a fully detailed simulation of a whole planet with a deep history.

Related:

"1% Skepticism" (2017), Nous, 51, 271-290.

"Let’s Hope We’re Not Living in a Simulation" (2024), Philosophy & Phenomenological Research, online first: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/phpr.13125.

Chalmers, David J. (2024) "Taking the Simulation Hypothesis Seriously", Philosophy & Phenomenological Research, online first: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/phpr.13122.

8 comments:

Arnold said...

Gemini and me: The Seriousness of Realization vs. Simulation

"The distinction between realization and simulation, while seemingly straightforward, carries profound implications in various fields, from philosophy to technology.

Realization refers to the actual embodiment or manifestation of an idea or concept in the physical world. It's the tangible, concrete outcome of a thought or plan. For instance, a blueprint realized into a building, a code compiled into a software, or a dream turned into reality.

Simulation, on the other hand, is the imitation or representation of a real-world process or system. It's a virtual or theoretical model that mimics reality but doesn't necessarily have a direct physical manifestation. A computer simulation of a traffic system, a role-playing game, or a flight simulator are common examples."

'Mimicry systems have three basic roles: a mimic, a model, a dupe.'...Wiki
...Explaining to my teenage grandchildren what dupe means...Hmmm

Paul D. Van Pelt said...

It amazes me that the simulation argument persists, even flouishes as a topic. I feel certain there are things more useful for discussion, but, I guess that is only my pragmatist leaning towards the matter. I hesitate to believe this is being treated like a *hard problem*. But, that certainly appears to be the case. Alternatively, it feels like a fallacy, born of our new-age technology and sophistication. Yes, I am more skeptical than many.

Arnold said...

At my "implications in various fields", I meant to say, 'from philosophies of evolutionary biology to AI technology becoming time spans in mimicry systems'...thanks...

Paul D. Van Pelt said...

To assess art, imitating life, imitating philosophy, and so on backward and forward, find, review and consider The Time Machine,circa 1958; Demolition Man, date forgotten; and, Fahrenheit 451, based on the Bradbury tale, date also forgotten. I have nentioned The Truman Show, elsewhere. Simulation is only another outgrowth of fantasy, in my humble opinion. Good luck with your opinion(s). They are only speculations anyway.

Paul D. Van Pelt said...

OK. try this on for size: Are time and history independent of one another, or are they interdependent upon one another? I pose this possible conundrum because the notion has nagged at me for years. Certainly, it would seem time ebbs and flows, regardless of how history behaves (or, misbehaves)...the arrow flies, of its' own volition, never speeding up or slowing down. So far as we know, inasmuch as I don't know what it would do for our understanding, even if we could measure fluctuations. Must have driven Einstein batty (sorry, Tom).

Relativity obtains for many things. That proposed, let's suppose there is a bond between history and time...an inextricability of some kind., that even Albert could not fathom. Or, Godel. Or, Turing? Feynman? So, supposing time and history as interdependent, things would have been way different, without US. The interdependency could not have been noticeable. History would have taken no notice. Time? That arrow could not have cared, in the least, fair witness, and all.

Milan said...

There also seems to be a possibility of decreasing complexity or 'resolution' further away from focus. Sure, you need to simulate the past and places far away from your focus because they influence the focus. But, it's plausible that some kind of simplifications/decreasing resolutions won't affect the focus too much. In broad outlines, this seems to be the approach taken by the simulation-heavy game Dwarf Fortress. The 'deep past' is genuinely simulated in generating a game world; however, it is simulated in phases ('ages of myths', 'age of legends', 'age of heroes'). The closer the phase is to the timespan in which the player's action will take place, the more detailed it is. This would raise the troubling possibility that we/I might not be the focus of the simulation, and my life is actually much less complex than that of some far-away people.

Howie said...

You're assuming the characters in a simulation, more than having a story can experience, which is currently not possible and might not even be possible in principle or in imaginary advanced civilizations- that is, you might be and Chalmers too, guilty of magical thinking

Paul D. Van Pelt said...

Missed the train, and, lost the thought, Sorry. Merry Christmas, anyway!